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From: Hugh Messenger
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:47:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - bounces

On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Harmonica John Frazer wrote:

> Is anyone else getting bounceback messages from compuserve and WOW because
> of someone's mail box being "too full"?
>
> Is there a way to drop these addresses from the list and make them resub
> after they get their sh** together?

There is, but it means one of owner-harp-l having enough time to a) spot
the bounces and b) do the unsubbing.

The *real* problem is compuserv's braindead mailer. That's why email has
"From" and "Errors-To" headers, so that mailers can send errors to the
right plkace, rather than blindly bouncing stuff back to an entire mailing
list.

The problem with owner-harp-l having enough time to process bounces is the
sheer volume of them. Here's my two harp-l bounced mail folders, where
bounces get auto-filtered (using procmail):

- -rw------- 1 hugh gpstaff 7470069 Apr 19 17:28 harp-l-bounce
- -rw------- 1 hugh gpstaff 1342541 Apr 19 06:25 harp-l-digest-bounce

... that's over 7Mb of harp-l bounced mail, and 1.3Mb of harp-l-digest
bounces. Less than 1% of the bounced mail goes out to the list, so for
every 1 bounced message you see, owner-harp-l sees about 100.

I've been working on auto-bouncing scripts for about 2 years now, but
it's almost impossible to handle all bounced mail automagically, as every
mailer in the universe usesd a different format for the error messages,
there is no standard (or rather, there is, but folk like compuserv, aol
and the like completely ignore it and do their own thing).

All I can do right now is say that if you are experiencing lots of bounce
messages from a particular address, mail owner-harp-l and ask to have them
bounced. I can't tell which addresses are causing the most problems, as I
receive my mail in a very different fashion to y'all, and never "see" any
bounces (they get filtered into a script that attempts to grok the bad
address and remove them from the list).

If you do want someone bounced, please forward an example bounce message
in your request to owner-harp-l.

-- hugh