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qš¤q¤q¤q¤q à=Ð/Ð8¤qharp-l-digest Tuesday, 6 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 675

Subjects in this digest:

RE: About the 7 positions and/or modes

Re: GUITAMONICA request

Re: GUITAMONICA request

Re: panic over wood swelling!!

Re[2]: panic over wood swelling!!

Blues Harmonica on CD

Re: GUITAMONICA request

Re: GUITAMONICA request

Re: panic over wood swelling!!

Soaking (was PANIC over wood swelling)

Re: Soaking (was PANIC over wood swelling)

Whammer Jammer

Re: Necessity is a mother--

Golden Melody

RE: GUITAMONICA request

Re: Whammer Jammer

orchestra movement

Re: GUITAMONICA request

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From: dijk~orldaccess.nl

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 20:49:52 GMT

Subject: RE: About the 7 positions and/or modes

Sending an e-mail from the Netherlands to garply.com is sometimes a tough thing to

do for a computer system. After reading my own writing about 'the 7 positions or

modes', I discovered a little part was missing.

> In the same way, musicians created modes derived from other scales. The seven

> modes of the Melodic Minor Scale are used by a lot of jazz musicians and have

> the following names:

>

> V -> Mixolydian b6 -> G, A, B, C, D, Eb, F, G

> VI -> Locrian #2 -> A, B, C, D, Eb, F, G, A

> VII -> Super Locrian -> B, C, D, Eb, F, G, A, B

Ofcours, the melodic minor scale, excisting of 7 notes, has 7 modes too!! While the

e-mail system splits the post into packages, I think one little package got lost

somewhere. The following list is the original:

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In the same way, musicians created modes derived from other scales. The seven

modes of the Melodic Minor Scale are used by a lot of jazz musicians and have

the following names:

I -> Melodic Minor -> C, D, Eb,F, G, A, B, C

II -> Dorian, b2 -> D, Eb,F, G, A, B, C, D

III-> Lydian Augmented-> Eb,F, G, A, B, C, D, Eb

IV -> Lydian b7 -> F, G, A, B, C, D, Eb,F

V -> Mixolydian b6 -> G, A, B, C, D, Eb,F, G

VI -> Locrian #2 -> A, B, C, D, Eb,F, G, A

VII -> Super Locrian -> B, C, D, Eb,F, G, A, B

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Just to keep the story as complete as its orriginal.

Wim Dijkgraaf

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From: Mike Curtis

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: GUITAMONICA request

>

> At 10:26 AM 8/5/96 EST, you wrote:

> >Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

> >harmonica at the same time.?

I play harmonica, guitar, and bass pedals at the same time, and have a

cassette available. I'm also on the harp-l tapes (I and II). I also have a

live tape of a radio show I played live on July 26 (KSPC in Claremont CA)

that came out pretty well on the songs, although some of the interview stuff

was chopped by the engineer and an auxilliary console problem.

I play a blend of blues and jazz.

I'm just getting caught up on sending tapes out - equipment problems and

workload have held things up a bit.

-- IronMan Mike Curtis

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From: gwarr~ax-inter.net (Indiana)

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:02:06 -0400

Subject: Re: GUITAMONICA request

>Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

>harmonica at the same time.?

>

>thanks,

> --Mark

>

Pick up any John Hammond recording.

Gary "Indiana" Warren

- - --

"I take my woman on the beach, fellas, and set down in the sand and play."

Muddy Waters "Deep Down In Florida"

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From: jfraz~wa.acusd.edu (john frazer)

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:37:25 -0800

Subject: Re: panic over wood swelling!!

>>

>

>If the swelling is bad enough, you can use an X-acto knife or single edge

>razor blade to trim the sharp edges off the protruding comb segments.

>

> -- IronMan Mike Curtis

The only problem with this is that when the wood shrinks back up, any air

seal you had before will be gone from side to side and it will be harder to

get a single note.

HJ

- - -- "He has some kind of a fantastic device that lets out a death sound!!"

Harmonica John PO box 740613 San Diego, CA 92174 (619)263-6826

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From: davi~ailbox.leighfisher.com

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 16:41:54 PST

Subject: Re[2]: panic over wood swelling!!

I switched to plastic comb harps because of a variety of reasons,

including wood swell (one of the reasons I never soaked harps, despite

some die-hard friends who insisted it was the most important step to

breaking in a harp [NOT]). And anyone who can get five or six months

out of a harp, all I can say is WOW. When I was gigging every night,

I'd run through a Special 20 D in about three gigs (I hit that fourth

bend pretty hard sometimes) and others would last only a gig or two

longer. It all depends upon how often you play and individual

technique. All I know is that it use to drive me crazy how often some

of my harps went sour. I could do fixes but those only lasted four or

five songs. I did find that LO Ds lasted a bit longer (maybe a gig or

two).

If you can't stand the wood swell, I'd suggest changing to a plastic

comb harp. As one other harp-ler said, I find it sounds better in my

ears and the audience doesn't know the difference.

Keep on harpin'

Rusty Sterling

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________

Subject: Re: panic over wood swelling!!

Author: Mike Curtis at ccGate

Date: 8/5/96 03:10 PM

>

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From: MMMey17~ol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:45:00 -0400

Subject: Blues Harmonica on CD

Thought it would be of interest to Blues Harmonica lovers, the new Muddy

Waters tribute CD, "Your Gonna Miss Me( When I'm Dead and Gone)", by the

Muddy Waters Tribute Band, has some great blues harp by Jerry Portnoy, Jr.

Wells, James Cotton, and Billy Branch. Well worth looking for if you like

good blues harp.

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From: Steve & Anne Price

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:43:20 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: Re: GUITAMONICA request

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Indiana wrote:

> >Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

> >harmonica at the same time.?

> >

> >thanks,

> > --Mark

> >

> Pick up any John Hammond recording.

>

It's true that John Hammond can blow harp and does so regularly

on a rack, but there are a few others that make more of the harmonica

with the rack than Hammond. He seems to use it for the sound without (go

ahead, make my day) a lot of subtlety to the harp playing, which his

guitar playing can be full of. He knows what he's doing on the harp, but

just doesn't try to do very much.

For vintage stuff I like Jimmy Reed, Juke Boy Bonner, and Dr.

Love. Reed is probably most famous (these days) for Baby What You Want

Me to Do, although he's got a number of great songs. Bonner seems to

have never gotten as big as other Texas guitar players, as his guitar

work is basic. His harp playing is deceptively simple, melodic and

lovely. And I do find his songs rather moving. Dr. Love is pure joy,

and he throws in field hollers Sonny Terry style.

For contemporary stuff, I've said on the list that my favorite

(as Will Jennings has already mentioned) is Dave Moore. I can listen to

him all night. He'll be at the upcoming Dubuque, Iowa, blues fest. His

CD Over my Shoulder is out on Red House Records.

Also out on Red House is my 2nd favorite (also mentioned by Will

Jennings, who is canny about all things musical, educational, and

written) is Paul Geremia, who does more rags and piedmont style guitar,

and who's a fine harp player. His CD Gamblin' Woman Blues is listed as

having no overdubbing. The first time I saw Geremia, I heard him play

guitar first (acoustic) and I thought (because I play guitar and

harmonica on a rack, also), Well, if he plays guitar that good, at least

he won't be better than me on the harmonica. Ahem. Well, then he blew

his harp. Talk about going home with my tail between my legs, and a new

CD under my arm.

Check these guys out.

Steve Price

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From: Jerry Cohen

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:21:48 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: GUITAMONICA request

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Steve & Anne Price wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Indiana wrote:

>

> > >Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

> > >harmonica at the same time.?

A couple of add-ons:

Dr Isaiah Ross (the Harmonica Boss) plays some beautiful tone- and

time-based stuff on the few recordings of him I've heard, such as "Juke

Box Boogie" parts 1 and 2, and "Left Job Boogie". Dr Ross was a one-man

band who still managed to convey the spontaneous energy of a group of

musicians getting together for the first time (listen and you'll know what

I mean).

Spider John Koerner may not be a constant presence in the harmonica field,

but he is an ingenious and highly original musician, and his soul and

savvy are very much in evidence in his guitar and harmonica playing as

well as in his songwriting, arranging and performance. Check out Koerner

Ray and Glover's album, Blues Rags and Hollers for musical inspiration,

but better yet, go see John Koerner if he comes to your town. He's not to

be missed.

E-Tonally Yours,

Annie Raines (c/o jcoh~orld.std.com)

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From: Mike Curtis

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: panic over wood swelling!!

Hugh muses:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Mike Curtis wrote:

>

> > As far as longevity, Lee Oskars last the longest, by an easy order of

> > magnitude.

>

> For you, perhaps. For some unknown reason ever LO I buy seems to suffer a

> premature death. Hohners seem to just gradually out of tune, and will

> withstand a retuning or two. My LO's stay in tune great, then one reed

> will just let go, usually with some kind of stress fracture at the base of

> the reed.

Interesting. Which reed? (Or does it vary?) Do you break them in? I find

that makes a lot of difference, especially as far as reed failure.

I can retune my Oskars twice before they finally die of Alfred-E-Neumanism

(the 8-draw reed dropping sickeningly fast in pitch, then finally sucking

out), so what I usually do is retune them just once, then toss the plate set

the next time it needs tuning.

> The Tombo Ultimo lasts the best for me, along with the MeisterKlasse (so,

> like, I'll rush out tomorrow and buy a full set, hah hah).

I've not tried the Ultimo (but I'll keep an eye peeled for them - you've got

my interest piqued), and the one C Meisterklasse I tried (an MS) died after

a couple of nights. Although I liked the action of the MK, I didn't like it

any better than Oskars, and at the prices Hohner gets for them (and the MK

replacement reed plates), they're a luxury I can't afford. I've never had

an Oskar die that quickly on me.

-- IronMan Mike Curtis

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From: Mike Curtis

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Soaking (was PANIC over wood swelling)

What I've found regarding soaking:

1. Older harps benefit the most from soaking.

2. You don't have to "soak" - a BRIEF rinse is just as effective.

3. Rinsing helps both plastic and wooden harps sound brighter and a little

louder, and play more responsively.

4. Wetting your harps will lessen their lifespan.

5. Keeping them as clean as possible minimizes the need for wetting IMHO.

6. Wetted harps tend to stay cleaner, with less of that "stuff" inside the

holes.

7. Soaking new harps doesn't affect them nearly as much as soaking old, dead

harps.

8. Soaking doesn't help break them in. Playing them gently, sparsely, and

unbent for a few days to a week will break them in.

Keeping your harps reasonably dry helps them last longer. But if the combs

are wood, keeping them TOO dry can cause the wood to dry out and split. So

it's probably not a good idea to store them in silica dessicant, etc.

Should YOU soak your harps? If lifespan is a prime consideration, no. If

you like the action of wet harps, yes. Bear Bean and myself are (apparently)

the two proponents of soaking (or in my case, splashing - mine is more like

a Catholic sprinkle-baptism than the Baptist plunge-and-hold) on harp-l. We

are considered heretics by the faithful, but we like our tin sandwiches au

jus. The music comes out tastier in our opinion.

-- IronMan Mike Curtis

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From: "Barry B. Bean"

Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 08:49:42 -0500

Subject: Re: Soaking (was PANIC over wood swelling)

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT), Mike Curtis wrote:

>Should YOU soak your harps? If lifespan is a prime consideration, no. If

>you like the action of wet harps, yes. Bear Bean and myself are (apparently)

>the two proponents of soaking (or in my case, splashing - mine is more like

>a Catholic sprinkle-baptism than the Baptist plunge-and-hold) on harp-l. We

>are considered heretics by the faithful, but we like our tin sandwiches au

>jus. The music comes out tastier in our opinion.

Maybe its just a Southern country thing, but down here on the farm,

we go for the full dip - none of that harp christening stuff.

(Although I'm jewish, so I suppose that to follow this religious

analogy, I should trim back the covers and name my harp on the eighth

day.)

- - -

B.B. Bean - Have horn. Will travel.

http://www.cris.com/~Bbbean

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From: Thorsten Nickel

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 16:41:24 +0200

Subject: Whammer Jammer

i am working also on whammer jammer and have some difficultie with

the blown bending notes. Maybe my beloved Cross Harp classic line

is too slow for that in general. once i was told Magic Dick used to play

Marine Bands (? can't believe it, but he is God).

probably you know he plays it with a harp key of A. Actually i am able

to play almost everything from that song, the exception are these high

pitched bending and of course some difficulties in timing and to stay

in that very 'aggressiv' attitude towards the whole song.

someday i'll catch it ... but i need some tips on these difficult high bending

notes too.

thorsten

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From: Pete Brunelli

Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 10:24:24 -0400

Subject: Re: Necessity is a mother--

At 11:52 PM 8/4/96 -0500, you wrote:

>

> I just rigged a way to use a cheap ($25) Radio Shack electret

>lapel mic to use with my harmonica rack. I don't get quite the sound of

>it cupped well yet, but I'm close (a few fine adjustments). This because

Steve,

Could you elaborate on which way you rigged the lapel mic?

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Pete Brunelli p~onnix.com http://www.connix.com/~pcb

Q: How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub

with brightly colored machine tools.

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From: bluesn~X.NETCOM.COM (Garry Segal )

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:54:24 -0700

Subject: Golden Melody

I've switched! I've found the Golden Melody harps more responsive with

bends , faster and quite durable... so far. I still have plenty of MBs

on hand for a warmer sound, but amplified I can tweak the GMs to a nice

fat sound. Anybody have tips or warnings on GMs?

Garry

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From: Bert van Oortmarssen

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:30:22 +-200

Subject: RE: GUITAMONICA request

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From: mstring~earst.com

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 96 10:26:33 EST

Subject: GUITAMONICA request

Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

harmonica at the same time.?

thanks,

--Mark

five stars:

- - - Joe Hill Louis - Bear Family

(one of my favorite blues artist, see a picture of him playing harmonica, guitar

and drums on: http://www.surfin.com/TheBlueFlameCafe/Joe_Hill_Louis.html)

- - - Dr Ross - Arhoolie

- - - Slim Harpo - ACE (for European readers) or AVI (USA)

Other guitamaniacs: Drifting Slim (Elmon Mickle), Blind Joe Hill (?) ....

Bert van Oortmarssen

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From: "Michael K. Heney"

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: Whammer Jammer

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Thorsten Nickel wrote:

>

> i am working also on whammer jammer and have some difficultie with

> the blown bending notes. Maybe my beloved Cross Harp classic line

> is too slow for that in general. once i was told Magic Dick used to play

> Marine Bands (? can't believe it, but he is God).

> probably you know he plays it with a harp key of A. Actually i am able

> to play almost everything from that song, the exception are these high

> pitched bending and of course some difficulties in timing and to stay

> in that very 'aggressiv' attitude towards the whole song.

> someday i'll catch it ... but i need some tips on these difficult high bending

> notes too.

>

> thorsten

All I can suggest is practice the blow bends. I use a Special 20, and

find that I can control the 8 blow-bend fine (which doesn't help, because

there are no 8 bolow-bends in the song!), I can work the 9 OK (I can

always drop from unbent to bent, but hitting the note bent to start with

is somewhat erratic), and the 10 blow-bend is a total bear. Why?

Because I don't practice it enough!!

The best thing for you to do is get the cat, roomates. girlfriends, and

all other forms of organic matter out of the house, and do blow-bend

drills, especially on the 10. It's loud. It's piercing. It's painful.

It's necessary ;-)

In Whammer Jammer, you want to hit (all blow-notes)

9 blow/bent - 9 blow - 10 blow - 10 blow/bent (held!) - 10 blow (punched)

So, you need to be able to drop into a 10 blow-bend - start by going from

a 10 blow and sliding into the bend, and then holding it (I only get short

bends before it pops back unbent), and work towards elimiating the

"slide" between unbent and bent.

When you get the 10 down, the 9 bend will be much easier!! You want to

practice hitting 9 bent cold, without having to do 9 unbent first.

(You also want to be able to do this with 10 bent generally, but you don't

need it for Whammer Jammer).

It's one of those things - I've been working on this for a long time, and

I know *what* I need to do to get it down, I just need to take the time to

actually *DO* it. It's a great jam; you do need to be aggressive on it,

but it's hard *not* to be when you get into it.

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From: Thorsten Nickel

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:30:01 +0200

Subject: orchestra movement

i bought "Made in Germany - and Plaued in USA" from Harmonica museum trossingen,

Germany. It is fine book on harmonica history, of course incomplete, but

therefore very cheap. I was very surprised about a harmonica orchetsra

movement in US. i knew there was country, bluegrass and hillybilly music

for the emmigrants, coming from europe, but i din't know that there was

a big orchestra movement playing classic and pseudo- classic with more

than 4000 organzations.... If Black people is not more yhan 15% (also

in the past ?) than that harmonica orchestra movement must be very important

obviously there is one very famous :

Albert N. Hoxie's Boy Council Harmonica Orchestra in 1921/22 founded,

later the official band of "Sequicentennial of the 150th Anniversasry"

did they made any recordings ? Probably - but with recording quality of their

period. wouldn't it be great to have a harmonica orchestra with up to 120

harmonica players like a symphony orchestra , with bass hamonicas and piccolos

and any type of harmonica . Hoxie's nearly 60 players.

but a new one with the recording technology and stage technology of our time

dolby soround etc ... it must sound like being in heaven !

the problems is no harmonica player will integerate his indidvidual style under

a an orchestra. there are too much indidviduals in harmonica scene, i almost

"i am proud to sound on my own ...". it is a bit a shame ! the management

and organization must be more easer than 50 years ago ...

but if there is no interest in harmonica scene, we have to take synth and keyboards

for harmonica orchestra sounds, but a sample will never be an orchestra...

thorsten

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From: Mike Curtis

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:31:56 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: GUITAMONICA request

>> Would someone please recommend a recording of someone playing guitar and

..... Blind Joe Hill (?) ....

Blind Joe Hill doesn't play guitar - just harmonica.

-- IronMan Mike Curtis

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