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From: "Barry B. Bean"
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 14:16:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Wim and Jazz Chromatic, RE to B.B.B.

On Fri, 06 Sep 96 18:07:38 GMT, dijk~orldaccess.nl wrote:

>On 06-09-96, Barry B. Bean wrote:
>
>> I'm still having a hard time figuring out why you feel it necessary
>> to make this point. ALL musicians' playing is influenced by the
>> tunings system of their instrument. Likewise, ANY tuning system is
>> going to affect note choice, including the one you advocate.
>>
>
>Yes, but I think a symmetrical tuning system will suit my playing better than
>the normal tuning. I will try it out and maybe you are right maybe not.

Thats entirely possible and no-one has challenged you on that point.
However, you repeatedly mention that Toots Thielmans' playing is
limited by the standard tuning system, and you fail to recognize (or
at least mention) that your suggested system will have its own unique
limitations. You also fail to recognize or mention that ALL music is
limited by the instruments used to create it.

>> A "white" concept of jazz playing? Jazz has, from its very inception,
>> been such a mix of influences that any argument that includes white
>> playing and black playing as major factors is doomed to be an
>> over-simplification.
>>
>I am sorry, but I think you should not interpret these quotations out of
>context. Although what you write is highly interesting, please try to
>understand WHY I wrote down such a quotation. I took it from some history
>books, so if you don't agree with these books, no problem for me.

Then cite the books. Think critically about the point they are
making. If you don't agree with the point, then don't publish their
ideas under your name here. If you agree with the idea, then defend
it. I'm not clear WHY you made the point, but its your post that I
read and responded to.

As I recall, this freewheeling thread (which I'm enjoying, by the
way) began with you complaining about the Hohner attitude towards
innovation and your ideas for improving the chromatic harmonica. Its
certainly been interesting to see it evolve into a discussion of
racial contributions to jazz, the development of bebop, Toot's
Thielmans' role in chromatic harp improv, and the development of
modern saxophone jazz.

However, before we fill the net with another couple of megs of noise
about God knows only what, maybe we could direct this back to
harmonica and leave the potentially incindiary issue of race on the
back burner.

BBB
- -
B.B. Bean - Have horn. Will travel.
http://www.cris.com/~Bbbean