Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 01:27:19 -0700 From: "IronMan Mike Curtis" Subject: (Fwd) [perfect pitch] (Fwd) Re: Snake oi
Here's a response from Rob Coleman, via the perfect pitch list, where I've been crossposting some of these. He has developed perfect pitch as a result of the Burge course, and is quite familiar with the materials.
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> I bought the Burge course this past summer. It would be unfair of me > to say that it doesn't work, because I haven't yet gotten completely > through it. My perception of it at this point is this: In order for > Burge to justify the price he charges for the course and using the > "bigger is better" rationale, he ships the course on nine CD's. Nine!
I am going to agree that 9 CD's is uncalled for. Well, actually it's 8 - - the 9th is an intro to the RP course and it comes free with the course. Anyway, the CD's are way below the average CD length and he could probably get the whole course on 5 CDs or so and drop the price of the course.
Personally, though, I really REALLY don't think the cost of the course is all that unreasonable. I mean people spend so much freakin' money on pointless crap that they don't need. Burge's course, if done consistently and with a certain skill can be far more rewarding for a musician than any college eartraining course (which costs WAY more I might add). PP, when it becomes permanent, infuses one's entire way of listening and that in turn affects every aspect of their musical world.
> The trouble with that in my opinion, and please take into > consideration that I am only 3 or 4 CD's into the course thus far, is > that for the first few CD's he hasn't yet gotten to the point of HOW > to learn perfect pitch. He goes on and on and on about how it's > possible to obtain pp by learning to hear pitch as colors, but as yet > he hasn't gotten to the point of instructing how to do that.
I don't quite get Roger's point here. The course is structured in the form of masterclasses - there are 24 total. The first 2 are an introduction to the course talking about the nature of PP and the benefits of having it. All the rest give excercises except one I think, which is devoted to talking about the hindrance of drug use on eartraining.
The entire course is loaded with nicely structured excercises and excellent insights. A lot of people complain that Burge talks too much. I guess I just like listening to the insights that people have to give or something because I enjoy listening to his ideas and stories on the subject. I honestly feel that absolutely none of what he talks about is superfluous. I have benefited from everything he's said on the course at one time or another.
> I finally lost interest. I'm sure I'll try again at some point. I > wouldn't mind paying the price for the course, even if it only came > on one CD, as long as the course worked. My problem with it is that > Burge blathers on and on ad nauseum, and it becomes hard to pay > attention after awhile. I'd rather spend my time practicing instead > of learning > why to practice.
I think Roger needs to improve his listening and concentration skills. Burge says everything he needs to say to get the point across. Learning PP is very different from learning RP. RP is a very active kind of skill and learning it takes intelligence and thought. PP is kind of the opposite. It takes a quiet mind and a relaxed ear.
> He also spends a fair amount of time promoting his relative pitch > course also, which kind of bugged me, but that's another story...
His RP course kicks ass. My eartraining classes in college were shit compared to his course. It was because of his course that I was able to test out of 2 eartraining classes and even the 3 that I had to take after that were a breeze - I consistently got over 100% on every test and basically aced everything else.
> >However, in the apparent absence of any scientific > >studies on the effectiveness of his course, I remain skeptical of it.
This is very important actually, and I had hoped one day to somehow influence somebody to do another study on the effectiveness of Burge's course (2 have already been done, both of which were quite positive in Burge's favor) so I could really see first hand how ti works for others. I know it's been great for me, but I'd really like to see with my own eyes the progress of others.
I really want to see a long term study, maybe a year or so on it. This would probably give plenty of time to produce substantial results. The other studies were very short, only a few months or so.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on their thoughts.
SPACEDAWG
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